In this episode...

We discuss the true nature of many of the security products decisions CISOs have to make every day
Frank and Raf make very poorly thought-out sports analogies
There are uncomfortable length of silence (mostly edited out)
The crew discusses NSS Labs, and what they do to help the CISOs out there make smarter decisions
"Someone" asks about anti-virus...

[ More info on NSS Labs and the two guests today can be found here: https://www.nsslabs.com/analysts and https://www.nsslabs.com/ ]
Guests

Frank Artes ( @franklyfranc ) - Research Director Francisco Artes is a recognized information security executive who has helped form some of the motion picture & television industry’s best practices for securing intellectual property.  Artes is also know for his work with on cybercrime, hacking and forensic security issues with various federal, state and local government and law enforcement agencies such as the US Dept. of Homeland Security, the FBI, the Texas Rangers, US Marshals and several others.  Mr. Artes most recently served as Vice President, Chief Architect / Content Protection for Trace3, and as Vice President, Security Worldwide for Deluxe Entertainment Services Group. Artes has presented on six of the seven continents, serves on several boards and is a Trusted Adviser for The Security Consortium.
John Pirc ( @jopirc ) - Research Vice President John Pirc is a noted security intelligence and cybercrime expert, an author and a renowned speaker, with more than 15 years of experience across all areas of security. The co-author of two books, “Blackhatonomics: An Inside Look at the Economics of Cybercrime” (published in December 2012), and “Cyber Crime and Espionage” (published in February 2011), Pirc has been named a security thought leader from the SANS Institute and speaks at top tier security conferences worldwide. Mr. Pirc’s extensive expertise in the security field includes roles in cybersecurity research and development for the Central Intelligence Agency, Chief Technology Officer at CSG LTD, Product Manager at Cisco, Product Line Executive for Security Products at IBM Internet Security Systems, Director of McAfee's Network Defense Business Unit and, most recently, Director of Security Intelligence at HP Enterprise Security Products, where he led the strategy for next generation security products. In addition to a bachelor's degree in Business Administration, Pirc holds the NSA-IAM and CEH certifications.